Many people seemed to be upset with my original post, calling it bascially a whine that does not exist. Of course many liberals and so called "independents" who have never pulled the lever for anyone other than the Democratic Party are perfectly content to accept liberal dogma as truth and come to the conclusion that there is no liberal bias in news, despite the fact that 88 percent of reporters are registered Democrat. These people also don't like the idea that there is a liberal bias on nearly every college campus, not to mention the fact that there is a large bias towards Black radicalism as well as radical left wing politics on almost every college campus because of the nature of youth combined with tenured radical professors. If you can't see that, you are either blind to the facts, or like most liberals, you ignore the facts for your own misguided beliefs.
But since the critics clearly never read past the opening line of my original post, allow me to clarify what I mean when I say loneliness of Black conservatives. My point is that African-American conservatives are left out of the discussions on how to reform Black America. If you can point to the occasion where prominent Black conservatives have been invited to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH convention or the NAACP convention, please write back and feel free to let me know. However, since I was there working as a membe of the media and asked both why there were no African-American conservatives represented, I think you will be hard pressed to prove me wrong. The fact is that the Civil Rights generation is so in bed with the Dims, that there is no way that any prominent Black leader over the age of 50 will invite Black Republicans to work with them because of the perception that Black members for the GOP are "working for the man", or are simply Uncle Toms. If you don't think this is true, lookat the Oreo pelting that Michael Steele endured, and the painitings of Steele in Blackface, and how no Civil Right "leaders" rushed to defend him. Yet you can bet if the shoe had been on the other foot and if Republicans had painted Harold Ford Jr in Blackface, the Democrats would have painted the entire GOPas a party of racist rednecks. There is a double standard for Black conservatives, and the lonlieness factor comes into play when the majority of political Blacks don't even look to Black conservatives for ideas and a GOP that is unwilling to play the same racial card the the Dims have been using since they pretended to stop being the party of slavery and instead have moved to pretend they are the Party of Civil Rights. This is still the Democratic Party of Senator and Klansman Robert Byrd who used nigger on live television last year; again no response from the "party of equality". You can call this a whine, but you cannot ignore plain and simple facts.
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Do black conservative even have an agenda, besides getting in the GOP game? I can think of no single accomplishment by any black republican in the recent future. J.C. Watts did nothing? Fact is until black conservatives are embraced by the GOP, you all too will remain on the sidelines, until a black issue pops up and black faces are needed. Talk about getting pimped.
The same could be said give or take for the Democrats. Pimped as you say.
Rather than look at which party is the bigger pimp.. that's sort of a whine in itself spike! Look at Donnella's point that there is a conservative wing of black society that is NOT being used... to further the dialogue on blacks's roles in American society.
Let's face it... there are "liberal" and "conservative" ideas in each and every American's make up. But for blacks we are denying one side of that equation WAY more than any other demographic. His post (though a little biting) is questioning the lack of balance. Something is wrong if you think liberalism is a gene that is found in black DNA. There needs to be more debate allowed from the conservative side.
Though It would behoove conservatives not to demand it with anger. But with tact and dignity.
The debate is closed like in no other demo....
Good Post.
Michael...
Just thinking more about your post...
I think you may have hit on one little piece of the equation that seems to have been missing in my mind.
How to release the conservative side of Black society in a way that doesn't pit brother against brother. The political parties and ideological identities are a facade that obscures the debate.
Hmmm... I have to think on this more at the risk of a ramble.
Again, good post.
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Donnell,
I think that opening up the debate and pitting brother against brother might not be sucha bad idea. If we are going to have this debate, we are certainly not going to all agree. Black society seems to be the only racial group where we all have to agree on how to further the race. What is more important is that there are outlets where both Black conservatives and Black liberals can express themselves. Unfortunately with all the "Black" organizations dominated by far left wingers like Julian Bond, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, that outlet does not exist.
And Spike Zee-since you don't look past your NAACP pamphlet, how about Clarence Thomas, the only African American member of the Supreme Court; Condoleeza Rice-first Black female secretary of State and National Security Advisor; Colin Powell first Black male secretary of State; Rod Paige, first Black secretary of Education who crafted No Child Left Behind which has set standards and increased standardized test scores of African American schoolchildren every year since its implementation in 2001. Of course that was much less diverse than Clinton's Cabinet who had-oh wait, that's right, liberal white males. Come back when you've actually done some research and can do more than waste my time with liberal talking points.
"My point is that African-American conservatives are left out of the discussions on how to reform Black America. If you can point to the occasion where prominent Black conservatives have been invited to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH convention or the NAACP convention, please write back and feel free to let me know."
Sad, but true. After 40 years of liberal demonization of all things conservative and all things Republican, what can one expect?
How to release the conservative side of Black society in a way that doesn't pit brother against brother. The political parties and ideological identities are a facade that obscures the debate.
I've written for some time now that the "conservative" vs "liberal" "debate" is not one Blacks can afford to take part in.
There a Blacks, so-called liberal, who support the idea of school vouchers and/or charter schools.
A Black "liberal," Earl Graves, Sr., is a strong advocate of Blacks creating businesses and building legacy wealth.
When was the last time a "Black conservative" wrote about Earl Graves, Sr?
"My point is that African-American conservatives are left out of the discussions on how to reform Black America. If you can point to the occasion where prominent Black conservatives have been invited to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH convention or the NAACP convention, please write back and feel free to let me know."
Sad, but true. After 40 years of liberal demonization of all things conservative and all things Republican, what can one expect?
This is not true.
Tavis Smiley invited Black Republicans/conservatives to his "State of the Black America" conference. Many accepted and then were no shows. In fact, Alphonso Jackson was seen in the hotel the night before and didn't show up the next day.
There are also Black Republicans. In fact, in California, Shannon Reeves, a Black Republican, was a 2 or 3 term president of the Oakland NAACP chapter.
I'd like to point something else out:
In 2002, the Robert Ehrlich/Michael Steele ticket got 9% of the Black vote. In 2006, Robert Ehrlich received 20% of the Black vote. That is without Steele. Ehrlich doubled the percentage of Black votes he received.
Michael Steele got 25-30% of the Black vote. He stated that he thought he needed 20-25% of the Black vote to win. While he lost majority Black Prince Georges County, Maryland, he lost majority white and just as strongly Democratic county Montgomery County by more votes.
No one discusses the Jewish vote in Maryland for some reason. Cardin received a strong majority of the Jewish vote. And that brings me to my conclusion...
Jewish voters vote Dem 80-85% of the time, but the same disdain shown to Blacks for their voting pattern is not showed towards Jewish voters.
"My point is that African-American conservatives are left out of the discussions on how to reform Black America."
Probably because MOST black conservatives don't believe "black america" is different than America.
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I've written for some time now that the "conservative" vs "liberal" "debate" is not one Blacks can afford to take part in"
Too bad.
Too bad.
I followed up with this:
There a Blacks, so-called liberal, who support the idea of school vouchers and/or charter schools.
A Black "liberal," Earl Graves, Sr., is a strong advocate of Blacks creating businesses and building legacy wealth.
When was the last time a "Black conservative" wrote about Earl Graves, Sr?
Which was met with no comment. I think that's telling.
I have not written about Earl Graves Sr. because we have no need to write about liberals who are strong advocates of our own programs. You can find numerous African-American conservative authors who have been advocating the same things for years. Noe because a liberal agrees we are supposed to jump up and down and throw a party for him. I don't think so. And that was not me that said we should not take part in the liberal vs conservative debate, in fact if you READ, something I've noticed a lot of liberals choose not to do, you will notice that I have acknowledged Black America, and I would love to see all these conservatives who don't believe in Black America. Please give me some names and some credibility, rather than throwing up the usual liberal mantra of Black conservatives aren't really Black. If you'd like to have a substantial debate rather than throwing out the same liberal talkingpoints time after time, then your welcome to stay on theis site. Otherwise, we really don't have time to listen to the same BS that you hear about Black conservatives on every other website. Note that this is a website for Black college conservatives. Tread lightly when your in someone elses house. If you want to throw around baseless accusations, there are plenty of other sites to do so.
Funny, at booker rising, I have taken to making a quarterly denounciation of Robert Byrd and his past Klan affiliation, for the record. I do it primarily as an acknowledgement of the Democratic Party's racist past, which no one should ever deny But I also do it as an acknowledgement of the shift that happened as a result of the famous southern strategy that was initiated by Nixon and fully flowered under Reagan.
If you are going to debate the merits of the parties, you cannot pretend that the modern republican party is "the party of Lincoln" and the modern democratic party is "the party of southern segregationsist." Neither is the case.
"because we have no need to write about liberals who are strong advocates of our own programs."
Exactly.
You cite, Clarence Thomas, the only African American member of the Supreme Court; Condoleeza Rice-first Black female secretary of State and National Security Advisor; Colin Powell first Black male secretary of State; Rod Paige, first Black secretary of Education who crafted No Child Left Behind.
Clarence Thomas is an embarrassment on the court. As a law student I have read a many of his opinions. The man is a puppet for the likes of Scalia and other conservatives.
Condoleeza Rice is in tow with the Bush Agenda. What has she truly done in both capacities in which she has served? How has her service been beneficial to Black America. Considering the fact she has an oil tanker named after her, I know the business.
My man Colin Powell. He had the chance to do America a great service when he appeared before the UN Security Council. Instead, he played the game and stayed a good boy running off facts about Iraq he knew to be untrue. His silence killed his rather untarnished image during the run up to the war. He too has the blood of our servicemen and woman on his hands by playing the game.
Rod Paige, Leave No Child Behind? Are you serious? That program did not work in Texas, check the stats, many children were in fact left behind. The program now is grossly underfunded and at best has not been effective.
So, regardless of how the GOP may have placed blacks in appointed positions, it does not matter. They have zero clout and or authority. These blacks have done nothing to improve the situation of blacks in this country. Further, you avoided my original premise and point, where are the ELECTED black GOP members, and what are they doing?
"Clarence Thomas is an embarrassment on the court..."
MOONBAT ALERT!
I have not written about Earl Graves Sr. because we have no need to write about liberals who are strong advocates of our own programs.
1. I wasn't referring to you, it was about public conservatives, especially public Black conservatives.
2. Business creation, wealth building, and education are not conservative programs. In fact, the reason, I think, Graves is never considered because then conservatives would have to admit they are wallowing in intellectual dishonesty when they say certain beliefs come under the banner of conservative.
3. Public conservatives have show cased Black liberals, such as Rev. Floyd Flake, to promote school vouchers, charter schools, and public funding of religious programs.
You can find numerous African-American conservative authors who have been advocating the same things for years.
Show some who has done something like Black Enterprise.
And that was not me that said we should not take part in the liberal vs conservative debate,
Correct, I never said it was you. In fact, it was ME who wrote it. And I think Earl Graves, Sr. is one example, of many, which I could use to support my idea.
and I would love to see all these conservatives who don't believe in Black America.
Since I never wrote that, I assume it's addressed to someone else and not me.
If you want to throw around baseless accusations, there are plenty of other sites to do so.
The "accusations" I wrote were not baseless and were backed up. I also mentioned Tavis Smiley inviting conservatives to his event to only have conservatives accept and then back out.
This comment is directed towards 'spike zee's rant above.
One Question: ...got anything better?
Yes, there I said it. Do you have any better solutions to the policy propositions, interpretations and executions of the aforemention leaders within the black community? Any constructive analysis and suggestive measure to go alont with your criticism? Surely I could list the track records of conservatives and liberals of administrations past, but how is that helping to build up the Black Community? Such lashes with no constructive measures merely sends a grim threat to aspiring black political leaders.
I am not saying black conservatives are perfect; no one is and I should not have to waste my time reiterating this point to you. It is really disheartening to know that fellow educated blacks would work so hard to slander and libel our own people. Ultimately this will only lead to a perpetual cycle of vertical economic/ intellectual mobility within our community, as we continue to educate and enlighten ourselves, but no horizontal progrssion within the Black Community--no, family, as we continue to burn the bridges we used to overcome our progression. ...merely because of stereotype and ideological variations.
oh, and I would SERIOUSLY suggest you evaluate the Dem's track record for promoting promiscuous sexual habits among our youth and the Illegitimate-Child Generation x that your party's progressives have pressed for, before determining who is truly getting 'pimped'.
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